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Poster: jrose@duenorthmedia.com Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

thanks
but i have it. i have 98% of the whole lot but i wanted to refreshen my collection and get all new fresh sbd's from 73 & 74.
i used to belong to a private ftp site about 6 years ago that went down

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

try bt.etree.org; if you search for specific years (e.g. "1973") it will give you a list of torrents from that year. If the torrent's called "1973 project part [x]" then you should try to grab all of those to get the complete recordings from that year. I'm in the process of rebuilding my complete 1974 (my hard drive recently died and i lost my entire collection).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

Ah, well, then, you're shit out of luck, as they say...but I gather you've fig'd that out by now. Again, I still don't know that it was the "right" move by the band members (they did NOT agree on it, BTW, as I've heard it), but it was their "right".

In the "for what it's worth" category, many of the folks that responded to you have either been over this so many times they are sick of it, have diff views than the one I just espoused, or took offense at a perception of "attitude" on your part...they are in general, nice folks, if that means anything at this point...Dunno.

Sorry it didn't work out so well for you...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

hey William, been thinking about whether or not this was the "right" decision

think i assumed it was a disaster because within a year they wound up laying off staff they helped carry for the previous 10 years (believe Phil made a statement in early 05 that GD was losing 100 large a month, mostly due to payroll?)

giving up intellectual rights for 10 years couldn't have been an easy decision either

if they had turned things around financially, then it wouldn't have made sense to sell out to Rhino...but i suppose it could have been for any number of reasons, the reasons they gave at the time of announcing the deal are vague (Maybe now that we aren't doing business together anymore we can start playing music together again." - Mickey)

i think Bob was hoodwinked by management with the "royalties" red herring and the fact he took the boycott personally shows he has very poor business sense at best...and Bill's statement last summer that the Archive is exploiting the collection by selling commercial advertising indicates a complete lack of basic understanding

Phil seemed to be the only who had a handle on the situation, ironically, the reason why he was excluded...at least the deal with Rhino meant he didn't have to worry about the other 3 going behind his back anymore


i don't think this is a dead horse, not by a long shot...this issue leads straight to the question as to how artists are to be compensated for their efforts in these cyber-times...unfortunately no one (incl self) has any ready answers

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

I think your timeline is off. The boards were pulled in November 2005 but the layoffs began in 2003 and were done by 2005. Ramrod died in May 2006 and was laid off the previous year according to the obits. So the decision could not have effected the business, it was already dead.

I suspect that Rhino, who already had the deal done by then requested the removal to be done as a means to protect their investment and after the initial response to the complete removal of all music, the band was able to secure the current compromise which in many ways fits with their initial philosophy. All the auds are still here, even from commercially released shows. If you read the thesis on taping and the dead that was posted earlier today (in the embalming the dead thread) it seems to suggest that the sbds were not at least initially meant to be distributed. People in the organization would give them out with "do not distribute" written on them and of course they were distributed.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

yes, the layoffs were ongoing, i could be wrong, but i understood the Rhino deal resulted in the final blow...they still retained staff during 06 either involved with or subsidized by the DL/DP/etc series...also, the boycott included the merchandise division as well as Bob's band (and to a lesser extent P&F's)

the aud's are still here because they provide free promo...don't believe the band could economically nor legally market them anyways, and not w/o permission/compensation from/to the tapers (nor the tapers w/o permission/compensation from/to the band) interesting to see what kind of re-marriage would transpire between band/tapers if Rhino entertained releasing matrices (?)

the sbd issue is even murkier, not denying GD might have preferred greater restriction, but i don't think there is much doubt that sbd trading also contributed to free promo, perhaps even more so than the aud's...the difference is whether or not a fan is going to feel it is worth paying for the official sbd upgrade...then again, many people here prefer aud's, so in a sense the aud's are also a threat to sales

there may very have been some preliminary discussions/memos of understanding with the labels they were courting, or at least some forethought in that regard, if so, they never let on

in any case, it's all out there anyways, if GD gained some consideration by selling Rhino the Brooklyn Bridge through "artificial" restriction of the sbd's then kudos to them...good luck trying to fish in the fans though :)

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2010-04-19 23:33:38

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

I agree regarding the promo and that while the band may not have initially wanted the sbds to get out they did nothing to stop it including not re-acquiring the bettyboards when they were available. I think giving fans access to the music, including the sbds worked out well for the band, however there is something that is very different about this site compared to all others. bt sites, vines even individuals sharing hard drives are all forms of sharing. They all are much closer to how many of us got our first tapes and returned the favor to others. This place is a one-stop all you can consume for free 24/7/365 buffet table and completely changes the equation. I actually think the current situation here is pretty fair with the notable exception of pulling the complete shows that have one or two songs released on a compilation disc (Steppin' Out) or worse something released on a Road Trips bonus disc that is not even available!! If you want sbds there are plenty of options to get them, but you'll have to share. If you're cool with auds, then grab a fork and a knife and dig in right here.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

Well said--and as I have been poorly articulating in my many posts, we just don't know (biz: good for biz? poor for biz? how much biz are we talking bout anyhow?). Never had a problem with them making one decision or another, but academically speaking wanted to ask "is it best?" Clearly, Phil and others had differing views, and it is fine for them, like all of us, to stumble forward and see what shakes out...and we can keep talking about it meanwhile.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

I adore the 6-14-68 with all my heart. The feedback > eleven transition is perfectly subtle and the entire recording soars with energy! I just put this on my ipod again, thanks for reminding me about it

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

Ah, well--my little "good deed" for the day is done!

Cool--the more you listen, the less "bad" it sounds!

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: all i was saying......

Like all great, but rough, AUDs. Your ears get used to them if the music is good enough to hold your attention!